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but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible? >> this is actually a fairly typical story of home-grown extremists, in my experience. we've had a history of home-grown extremists in the united states having pretty extensive ties here in the united states. of course, the ft. hood shooter, nadal hassan. the basic profile of these two is not really inconsistent with what we've seen. and to your point about the internet, almost every home-grown al qaeda-inspired extremist that we've seen in the united states over the past five to six years has really been affected quite significantly by english-speaking extr
but as you said, we have disp r disparate state laws. each state makes its own laws. >> michael, just the probabilities involved. based on everything you've seen, the devices they've used s, the story that we learned how to do this on the internet. we were kind of inspired by some of these web sites we've gone to with extremist, islamic clerics who are on them and that stuff. is there anything you've heard developed from the suspect where you say, oh, no, that doesn't sound possible?...
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an extensive fire fight with law enforcement officers there. and andrew's account is that one of the suspects was tackled and taken into custody and that the other one perhaps got away. i want to go to pete williams in washington, d.c. pete, what can you tell us about what's happening here this evening? >> el with, i think there's ample reason to think what we're seeing h ining here is connecte boston marathon bombing. number one, we know that the fbi was very interested in this part of massachusetts based on the initial information they had gathered and some of the tips they had received. this is not that coincidence. there was a great deal of interest beyond the mere fact that this suburb is near -- in the same state of massachusetts and not far from boston. so that's the first thing. secondly, we have seen and we're not reporting the names yet. but we have seen the names of the two people that we believe have been arrested there. one of them was a name that the fbi was very interested in tracing down based on a couple of factors, including t
an extensive fire fight with law enforcement officers there. and andrew's account is that one of the suspects was tackled and taken into custody and that the other one perhaps got away. i want to go to pete williams in washington, d.c. pete, what can you tell us about what's happening here this evening? >> el with, i think there's ample reason to think what we're seeing h ining here is connecte boston marathon bombing. number one, we know that the fbi was very interested in this part of...
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go to washington and get the laws changed. i'm just doing my job enforcing the state and the federal laws. and that's my job. i hope they spent a lot of money here, especially those that came from another state. cut loose with the change and go to the restaurants and build up the economy. >> the rally lasted approximately four hours. it was peaceful, except for a group of three men and two women who were arrested for assaulting law enforcement officers. and as far as the sheriff is concerned, he says none of it has made him want to quit. >> i'm not ready to retire. when i do leave, i'm from massachusetts, i won't -- i don't ride a horse, so i'll just drive off into the sunset with a convertible and then you won't care about me, i know the media will for
go to washington and get the laws changed. i'm just doing my job enforcing the state and the federal laws. and that's my job. i hope they spent a lot of money here, especially those that came from another state. cut loose with the change and go to the restaurants and build up the economy. >> the rally lasted approximately four hours. it was peaceful, except for a group of three men and two women who were arrested for assaulting law enforcement officers. and as far as the sheriff is...
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that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans are blaming obama. there was a hash tag they were trying to get trending, obama flight delays yesterday. i don't know if that worked. >> catchy. >> what effect is all of this, this blame game stuff. what is that going to have on budget politics? >> i think the easy answer, but i think the correct one is that it is a pox on both the houses and the presidency. the fact is people don't distinguish that much for the most part if they're fair-minded. it is true the president suggested using the sequester tool as part of the negoti
that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans...
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i won't second-guess the law enforcement community on this one. i do wonder why not. i'm not going to second-guess. >> right now you would lean on the side of get the public's help. if we have pictures. you think some of the concern is what if these aren't the guys or if they're not at 100%, is that the issue you think potentially that they don't want to put these two people on here and what if it turns out they weren't a part of it? >> that's part of the psychology of resistance. you don't want to falsely accuse. i haven't seen videos nor has anyone else. they seem pretty confident that they either were involved directly, indirectly, perhaps had more information about it. for that reason again unless you thought they just suddenly came to the boston area and they hadn't laid down roots, they were not living there, they weren't conducting their personal affairs in the community, releasing it wouldn't do you much good. chances are good there's a presence in or around boston and they went through various activities like all of us do. gas, groceries, apartment, whatever.
i won't second-guess the law enforcement community on this one. i do wonder why not. i'm not going to second-guess. >> right now you would lean on the side of get the public's help. if we have pictures. you think some of the concern is what if these aren't the guys or if they're not at 100%, is that the issue you think potentially that they don't want to put these two people on here and what if it turns out they weren't a part of it? >> that's part of the psychology of resistance....
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this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been tremendous liability and panic and risk. by releasing it at 5:00 p.m., it happened when they were asleep. they anticipated that this could happen and it did. they are controlling the city as best they can. i think it was strategic to do it this way. >> they are not stopping the investigation while this is going on. they have been looking carefully at the bomb components and they are trying to use that information to track where the components came from. potentially to lead them to other accomplices that they may be. >> no question about it. examining the and the components allows you to trace back to the manuf
this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been...
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law the united states citizens can not be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> tsarnaev now lies under armed guard unable to speak due to what may be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his neck. authorities continue to question him, relying on written answers at this point. but his answers may be somewhat less important in his prosecution given the volume of evidence in the federal complaint, including description of video after the first explosion. "bomber two virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant appears calm. he glances to the east and then calmly, but rapidly, begins moving to the west. away from the direction of the finish line. he walks away without his knapsack. having left it on the ground where he'd been standing. approximately ten seconds later, an explosion occurs." the complaint also contains details from the carjacking victim who says one of the suspects said to him, "did you hear abou
law the united states citizens can not be tried in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> tsarnaev now lies under armed guard unable to speak due to what may be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his neck. authorities continue to question him, relying on written answers at this point. but his answers may be somewhat less important in his prosecution given the volume...
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most americans think that's already the law. and a few minutes ago, 90% of democrats in the senate voted for that idea. but it's not going to happen. because 90% of republicans in the senate just voted against that idea. a majority of senators voted yes to protecting more of our citizens with smarter background checks. but by this continuing distortion of senate rules, a minority was able to block it from moving forward. i'm going to speak plainly and honestly about what's happened here. because the american people are trying to figure out, how can something have 90% support and yet not happen? we had a democrat and a republican, both gun owners, both fierce defenders of our second amendment, with "a" grades from the nra, come together and work together to write a common sense compromise on background checks. and i want to thank joe manchin and pat toomey for their courage in doing that. that was not easy. given their traditional strong support for second amendment rights. as they said, nobody could honestly claim that the packa
most americans think that's already the law. and a few minutes ago, 90% of democrats in the senate voted for that idea. but it's not going to happen. because 90% of republicans in the senate just voted against that idea. a majority of senators voted yes to protecting more of our citizens with smarter background checks. but by this continuing distortion of senate rules, a minority was able to block it from moving forward. i'm going to speak plainly and honestly about what's happened here....
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i mean any breaking of the law is bad, tim. you should never break the law. >> after graduating from high school, mcveigh attends a local business college but gives it up after only one year. he is restless and looking for focus. >> he wanted excitement. he comes home. he tells his father, i'm joining the army, dad. his father says, when? well, i go in tomorrow. and bill said okay. >> in the spring of 1988 mcveigh chops off his hair and is ship dound to ft. benning, georgia, for basic training. from there he's assigned a post at ft. riley, kansas. immediately mcveigh takes to the discipline and regimenation of military life. >> i wanted to get out and experience the rest of the world. i wanted to get out of my isolation of penalty. i wanted to be part of a team. i was a bit of a gun enthusiast, and so you can't go wrong both in brushing up your skills and getting the army's free ammunition. the army for me were some of the best years of my life. >> i think mcveigh found success for the first time in his life in the army. i thin
i mean any breaking of the law is bad, tim. you should never break the law. >> after graduating from high school, mcveigh attends a local business college but gives it up after only one year. he is restless and looking for focus. >> he wanted excitement. he comes home. he tells his father, i'm joining the army, dad. his father says, when? well, i go in tomorrow. and bill said okay. >> in the spring of 1988 mcveigh chops off his hair and is ship dound to ft. benning, georgia,...
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same gun control laws. different. policy is changing. >> half of the guns used in crime in chicago flow in from indiana, for example. >> same thing in new york from north carolina and from virginia and from florida. i'd say three-quarters of the guns i seized as a prosecutor and mayor came from outside new york city. i seized them and took them out of the hands of the bad guys. that's what you have to do. you have to have a aggressive -- >> tough trafficking laws is important? >> all of these things is important. the president might have done something like bill clinton did with the comprehensive crime control bill. put together this massive piece of legislation. stuff that conservatives and liberals hated and vice versa. i supported it because it provided a hundred thousand cops, it provided the death penalty restored. liberals supported it because it supplied a lot of money for rehabilitation programs, for improving jails, for cutting down on lengths of stay in jail at times with different kinds of programs. and it
same gun control laws. different. policy is changing. >> half of the guns used in crime in chicago flow in from indiana, for example. >> same thing in new york from north carolina and from virginia and from florida. i'd say three-quarters of the guns i seized as a prosecutor and mayor came from outside new york city. i seized them and took them out of the hands of the bad guys. that's what you have to do. you have to have a aggressive -- >> tough trafficking laws is important?...
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scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you brought it up. i don't know much about this relationship. why is he keeping a secret, what cheney told him to do? >> part of the key here is to look at it from cheney's point of view and bush's point of view. cheney believes it and george bush, what he saw at the end of his eighth year tenure who is elbowing him saying come on, the law be damned, let's give this guy a pardon, it was exactly the kind of thing that bush himself found repulsive in the case of other presidents, including bill clinton, he gave some pardons. >> he thought this is something i don't like. it was one guy who was the decider and it w
scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you...
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i play by the laws. i play by the rules. and if i'm playing by the rules, then everybody should have to play by the rules. gun shop owners still can't figure out why they have to check to make sure somebody is not a terrorist or a gang member or a criminal. but gun show don't have to do it and people on the internet don't have to do it. this system is so broken. and every name up there that you're seeing that voted no, they have no excuse. they have no good excuse. they come up with these lame feeble excuses because they are cowarding in the corner and they are afraid of the nra their only two excuses is, one, well, you know, this may lead to a national begun registry. that's a lie because joe manchin specifically put in a piece of the bill that if any of these names were held and any registry were started, the person doing it would be is sent to jail for 15 years. it would be a felony. they would throw them in jail and throw away the key. so that's a lie. so when you hear that in the future, just know whoever is telling you
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law enforcement in full s.w.a.t. gear sweeping home-to-home, door-to-door looking for a suspect in monday's marathon bombing. >> it's turned into a war zone of sorts. chief timmony of philadelphia is telling us to do what you're seeing and go door-to-door and approach people one by one. but also to use loud speakers in the streets to let people to literally let people know in no uncertain terms that they cannot leave their homes. they also did have some reports overnight there might be a building that they might know that the suspect is in there but if he slipped away, who knows. the hope is they can find this guy as soon as possible. let's go live now to lester holt who joins us. i believe he is in walkertown. lester? >> i'm working with a pretty experienced crew and all of us are shaking our heads not having seen anything like this. an entire community shut down and transit system and schools shut down for the search of one suspect but what a dangerous suspect he is. suspect number two the white hat man from the fb
law enforcement in full s.w.a.t. gear sweeping home-to-home, door-to-door looking for a suspect in monday's marathon bombing. >> it's turned into a war zone of sorts. chief timmony of philadelphia is telling us to do what you're seeing and go door-to-door and approach people one by one. but also to use loud speakers in the streets to let people to literally let people know in no uncertain terms that they cannot leave their homes. they also did have some reports overnight there might be a...
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enforcement task forces throughout the country, state law enforcement and local law enforcement. the question becomes, how can we strengthen these relationships beyond just a relationship that's taken place historically. >> really quick here, 30 seconds, because there is a great deal of ignorance in this country when it comes to the islamic faith. for folks who don't understand the difference between islam and radical islam, give us the 101 here? >> well, islam represents peace, will be islam condemns killing people. you know, we often hear the words "jihad," but the jihad reference largely references an internal wrestling with good and evil, within one's self. not what we're seeing and not some of the crazies that are purporting to represent the faith. no different than having the ku klux klan claiming to represent christianity. >> appreciate your time, sir. >> an honor, sir. >>> as the people in boston mourn the dead and tend to the wou wou wounded, they are also starting the process of moving on. i'll talk about what they're doing now, how they're going to go about doing that.
enforcement task forces throughout the country, state law enforcement and local law enforcement. the question becomes, how can we strengthen these relationships beyond just a relationship that's taken place historically. >> really quick here, 30 seconds, because there is a great deal of ignorance in this country when it comes to the islamic faith. for folks who don't understand the difference between islam and radical islam, give us the 101 here? >> well, islam represents peace,...
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and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers without the miranda rights and still use that information in court. so when does the clock tick on that period of the public safety exception? the moment you make an arrest, the moment you begin an interrogation, what? i mean, i think the justice department will take the position that it begins the moment they begin talking to him. but i suppose his lawyers can certainly say that the time had elapsed so much since his arrest that it's hard to assert that exception. my guess is that there's no clear rule here in the federal government. this is kind of a legal rule that'
and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers...
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n this care the law specifically includes explosives, so a bomb is for the purposes of federal law, a weapon of mass destruction. now, he will be charged with using that the normal punishment for using one is life in prison but if death results, as it did here, three people killed in the marathon, then the government could seek the death penalty. >> when do they expect to start questioning the suspect? >> you know, the best word i have on that is not going to be today, could be tomorrow, dippeds on how he is doing. i don't have a very good idea of his medical condition but i guess the feeling is that it's not as bad as some have said. he can speak. but that perhaps it's not ready -- not time to start questioning him yet. but the charges could still come today. they can charge him and then the questioning and the charging are independent at this phase. >> talk to me a little bit more about this unique group that's actually going to be conducting the interrogation. >> well, in the first phase, what the government will do here is invoke something called the public safety exception. any
n this care the law specifically includes explosives, so a bomb is for the purposes of federal law, a weapon of mass destruction. now, he will be charged with using that the normal punishment for using one is life in prison but if death results, as it did here, three people killed in the marathon, then the government could seek the death penalty. >> when do they expect to start questioning the suspect? >> you know, the best word i have on that is not going to be today, could be...
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supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb political analyst and republican strategist john feehery. somehow i have a different attitude towards the republicans and the democrats who voted on this thing. i don't know why it is because i'm not always partisan. but i really do have a problem with mitch mcconnell. i would like to see him get stung hard on this one. why do i think like that? because he tends to be an s.o.b. generally? does anybody like that guy? >> you don't like mr. mcconnell but i like him. >> you like mr. mcconnell. >> i don't think this is going to hurt him. >> you'r
supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb...
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have you heard any words from fbi, law enforcement authorities on future briefings? >> well, there's going to be one in about two hours up in boston i think is the current plan. it wasn't clear if it was going to be 8:30 or 9:30 eastern. but now they're settling on 9:30. i guess you can watch what they say, but you can also watch what they do. the fact this happened in boston, that there was, you know, no obvious federal crime. but the fbi is leading the investigation says it all. because the fbi automatically has the lead in any attack that is considered to be terrorism. so that's -- that really tells you everything you need to know. >> all right. our thanks to chuck todd and pete williams. >> thanks, guys. >> we'll be getting updates throughout the morning. >>> up next, we'll hear from an e.r. doctor who treated some of the victims in yesterday's attack. >>> congressman michael mccullough will be joining us. "morning joe" will be right back from boston. everybody has different investment objectives, ideas, goals, appetite for risk. you can't say 'one size fits all'
have you heard any words from fbi, law enforcement authorities on future briefings? >> well, there's going to be one in about two hours up in boston i think is the current plan. it wasn't clear if it was going to be 8:30 or 9:30 eastern. but now they're settling on 9:30. i guess you can watch what they say, but you can also watch what they do. the fact this happened in boston, that there was, you know, no obvious federal crime. but the fbi is leading the investigation says it all. because...
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at that point certainly we should be talking about notifying local law enforcement and other agencies. the other agencies were aware of this. i think, you know, in a case like this, it's always easy to look back and say well, they did this wrong or did that wrong. so far i got to be honest with you, i haven't seen any evidence of that. there was some question about whether we got the proper notification to the airport when tamerlan came back into the united states. the question is would that have mattered because there still wasn't anything in the file to indicate that he was going to be a problem. now, having said all that, clearly one of my principles of leadership is you always do an after action assessment and you say what worked and what didn't work? there may be some systems things that we need to work out here. i don't know. it's a legitimate question to discuss as to whether every one of those 20,000 tips and even those that come up negative are passed to local law enforcement. at some point this is america. >> independent senator angus king of maine. thank you for your time.
at that point certainly we should be talking about notifying local law enforcement and other agencies. the other agencies were aware of this. i think, you know, in a case like this, it's always easy to look back and say well, they did this wrong or did that wrong. so far i got to be honest with you, i haven't seen any evidence of that. there was some question about whether we got the proper notification to the airport when tamerlan came back into the united states. the question is would that...
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so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great britain and study. you now have seen the paradigm shift that people have been seeinging coming for 30 years now. you started it in china. why in china instead of boston or los angeles? >> i think the economic center of the world is clearly moving to asia. you have the second largest country in the world, china, the third largest, japan. and you can see that the trend is somewhat inexorable. one of the reasons for this in terms of doing a major program is that if china continues growing at double or triple the rate of the western countries and creating 10 million jobs a year, whereas, there is virtually n
so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great...
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they are law abiding. they go through a background check when they purchase their firearm and want everybody else to go through a background check. to speculate that because a state like wisconsin, you know, a tradition of gun ownership, those are the very people that understand the responsibility and this t lethality of a firearm and don't want the criminals. those persons dangerously mentally ill giving them a bad name. i would speculate that, you know, we are going to see a different sort of gun owner emerge. there is -- serious but small percentage of gun owners who are radical and -- you know, just fire, you know, and threaten and -- let their voices be heard. i suggest that they are a minority of gun owners. >> the biggest category we have to get to is the rank and files, biggest category we have. we are going through that after this. >>> life is full of surprises except when it isn't. that brings us to the anti-background senators that followed the script perfectly. they are senators that don't alwa
they are law abiding. they go through a background check when they purchase their firearm and want everybody else to go through a background check. to speculate that because a state like wisconsin, you know, a tradition of gun ownership, those are the very people that understand the responsibility and this t lethality of a firearm and don't want the criminals. those persons dangerously mentally ill giving them a bad name. i would speculate that, you know, we are going to see a different sort of...